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Having
met at Oxford University in 1986, Stewart Lee, from Solihull in the West
Midlands, and Richard Herring, of Cheddar, Somerset formed a strong friendship
& working partnership. Both expressed an interest in writing good
comedy that "wasn't just a rip-off of Monty
Python". Together, they embarked on a mission to write
stuff that they thought was clever, interesting, and - most importantly
- funny. They both wrote & performed in student shows, notably"The
Seven Raymonds" which was taken up to the Edinburgh Festival and
brought them some attention from people other than their college peers.
After University, Rich & Stew abandoned their respective courses,
and concentrated on writing. They soon began to carve a niche for themselves
on radio, starting at first writing for Radio 4's "Weekending".
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Over
subsequent interviews, neither claim to have enjoyed writing trite satirical
gags for the Weekending team to hurl at the listening public, but it paid
the rent. All the while, both Rich & Stew were cutting their teeth
on the London Stand-Up Circuit. Rich would eventually give this up, but
Stewart was fast becoming a successful stand-up in his own right. To that
end, Stand-up is something he's always pursued alongside other projects.
Writing for
Weekending, as joyless as it was, was not without it's benefits. Rich
& Stew's contribution had not gone un-noticed, and resulted in them
being asked to write for "The
End Of The Road Show". This was basically a spoof on the
"Roadshow" idea that had been popular with the controllers at
Radio One. It was presented by Neil Mularkey, Nick Hancock & Tony
Hawks, all the material was provided by Rich & Stew. |
Their
profile now raised, the "End
Of The Road Show" allowed them to join the team of
"On The Hour",
a spoof news show which was anchored by maverick DJ & satirist
Chris Morris
& featured an embryonic incarnation of Steve Coogan's Alan
Partridge character, for whom Rich & Stew wrote a lot of
early material. It also marked the start of a trend that the duo
would continue throughout the rest of their careers, that of giving
their characters names of people that actually exist. One name of
note is that of Lionel Cosgrave, a former employer of Richard Herring's
who was supposedly a deeply unpleasant man. Rich exacted revenge
by naming a number of On
The Hour characters in his "honour".
This
now seminal show was much lauded & went on to become television's
"The Day Today" after two series and a christmas
special on BBC Radio Four. However, the transfer to television came
without Lee & Herring..
The reason for this is is due to a much talked about copyright war.
Further information on this can be found within numerous interviews
in the press section of
this site, but the long & the short of it is that Lee &
Herring contributed a number of ideas to the show that Patrick Marber
took credit for.
On
The Hour / Day Today producer & editor Armando Iannucci was
impressed with their work, however, & invited them to write
for & perform in "Lionel
Nimrod's Inexplicable World" - a new show for Radio
Four. Again, this ran for two series and featured Rich & Stew's
first actual performances in a widely broadcast media. |
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The
title character of Lionel Nimrod was brought to life by ex-Dr. Who Tom
Baker, while the show itself was anchored by Rich & Stew & all
characters were performed by them, alongside Armando & Rebecca Front,
another member of the On
The Hour team.
Lionel Nimrod..
was, by all accounts, a runaway success & resulted in an offer for
another show.
Relocating
to Radio One, Lee & Herring hit the "mainstream" with "Lee
& Herring's Fist Of Fun"
"Fist
Of Fun" was broadcast from a number of different venues across
the country, which was initially problematic, but ended up cementing the
duo's relationship with someone who would ultimately become a long-standing
contributor and friend, Kevin Eldon. Kevin & Stewart had met on the
stand-up circuit, and this is how he ended up with Lee & Herring,
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BBC used to send us around the country to record radio shows in places like
Exeter and Newcastle as a gesture of their commitment to the regions. So
I was saying “we couldn’t get anyone to come” because they used to pay about
£70. So he went “Oh, I’d love to do it!” and he was really good at doing
voices and it never occurred to me that he’d want to do it. So that’s when
we first used him and then we found his ability to speak really quickly,
which was a result of him being a Buddhist, because he chants for two hours
a day, he chants these mantras. So he can speak really fast which is really
useful for these mad characters we were writing. So it went from there." |
As
well as Eldon, Fist Of Fun brought to prominence a collaboration
with Peter Baynham. Baynham had created a character, "Peter",
which embodied everything disgusting about single, bedsit-inhabiting
men of Balham, South London. Sarah Smith, the show's producer suggested
bringing Baynham's character into the mix, and "Peter"
became the show's regular "Lifestyle Contributor", giving
banal recipes such as "Simple Summer Fries" ( frozen oven
chips, and a bowl....)
Like
"On The
Hour" before it, "Fist
Of Fun" went onto become a celebrated success, and
made the transition to television in early 1995. Following the same
format as the radio show of the same name, and introducing elements
from the previous year's "Lee
& Herring Radio Show" as well.
Lee & Herring were soon enjoying widespread success.
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The
aforementioned "Lee
& Herring Radio Show" was a rather loosely scripted affair
which would ultimately run for three series over 1994/95. It showed the
much more relaxed side of the duo and featured Rich & Stew sitting in
a Studio drinking, smoking & talking humorous nonsense for an hour at
a time while Stew went through the more obscure parts of his record collection.
A few pre-recorded sketches were dropped in for good measure, but these
outings were clearly just as much improvised as they were scripted, which
made for a very enjoyable atmosphere. |
These
shows were peppered with contributions from Kevin Eldon, Peter Baynham,
Sally Phillips, Ronni Ancona, and many others.
Material from these shows has since been culled for all of their TV work
- and the overall feel of the shows established a remarkably conversational
relationship with their fans who were invited to ring in and contribute
ideas to the show over the weeks. The first TV series of Fist Of Fun,
for example, debuted "The Gall-Ery" which was the culmination
of a plea from Rich & Stew for their radio listeners to send in as
much random stuff as they could think of.
Between the
radio & television shows, Rich & Stew managed to find time to
tour and guest
on other people's radio shows (notably Armando Iannucci's),
They benefited from the higher profile that their regular appearances
in the nation's media had given them & they soon gained possibly the
largest comedy following on the circuit at the time.
Not willing to rest on their laurels,
Stew continued solo standup & Rich worked on his plays. Almost every
Edinburgh Festival signals the arrival of new solo material from both
parties, alongside the double-act show. In some circles, Rich is known
more for his work as a playwright than as a comedian.
After a second
series of "Fist
Of Fun" aired on television in early 1996, relationships
between Lee & Herring & the BBC became strained. Discussions with
BBC television came to an end when producers wanted more Fist Of Fun,
but wanted them to change the style.
Rich & Stew also wanted more Fist Of Fun, but didn't want to change
the format of the show. Eventually, no compromise could be reached &
talks fell flat.
The duo also
made an offer to produce a fourth series of their acclaimed radio shows,
but this was declined by Radio bosses who were trying to restructure the
station. Despite this stance, they did chop up the preceding three series
and put together a series of "Best Of..." compilations which
not only did the material no justice whatsoever, but was underpinned by
a mix of current hits. This bed of top forty mediocrity was contrary to
the musical agenda the duo had created in the original shows and didn't
work in context against the sketches & Studio banter.
Adding insult to injury, Rich & Stew weren't even informed of this
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In
early 1998, however, Lee & Herring made a surprise return to BBC2
screens in "This
Morning With Richard Not Judy", a live 45 minute show that
would air on Sunday lunchtimes. It was based loosely on a show of the
same name that the pair had performed at the Edinburgh Festival in previous
years, the origins of which actually go as far back as a Richard Herring
solo show from the Festival in 1994.
The
show introduced new characters to the Lee & Herring universe, (such
as "The Curious Orange" & "The Organ Gang"), visualized
old radio sketches ("Histor's Eye"), and extended work from
previous shows ("The Two Very Different Teachers" sketch from
Fist Of Fun returned in a regular slot over the latter half of the series).
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This
Morning With Richard Not Judy (TMWRNJ) managed to successfully
combine the wonderful live atmosphere that Lee & Herring had managed
to capture so well in their radio shows with the tightly scripted sketches
from Fist Of Fun. However, it wasn't the runaway success it could (should?)
have been.
This can be blamed largely on a lack of backing from the BBC. Minimal
promotion was done for the show, and the edited repeats (that were aired
in the following week) were often knocked around in the schedules.
It seemed apparent that Rich & Stew were getting tired of poor treatment
from the Beeb, and sadly this was sometimes reflected their performances.
Another live
tour followed on the back of the TV series, taking Lee & Herring back
on the road, encompassing the Edinburgh festival & many venues up
& down the country and, in a surprise move, the BBC commissioned more
material from Rich & Stew. This one-off show took the form of a 20
minute addition to the BBC2 theme night "Monster Night". Presented
by Bill Bailey, the night's programming revolved around reminiscipackages
about monster movies and the like. Lee & Herring's contribution involved
them watching "The World's Nine Scariest Monsters.....With Carol
Vorderman" & passing judgment on it. A nice little piece of whimsy
by Lee & Herring standards, and a strong sketch in it's own right.
A script of it can be found on the official
site, and hopefully we'll have a version of it up here soon. |
Surprisingly
for some, TMWRNJ came back for a second series in 2000, this time
for a longer (ten shows) run and received even worse treatment from
the Beeb than the first time round.
The shows were fragmented by various sporting events taking "precedence".
This frustrated the stars & the audience alike, and resulted in
ten shows being broadcast over the space of thirteen weeks. This time
there was no trailering whatsoever from the BBC.
As a result, the show fared badly in ratings, even fans of the duo
had no idea it was returning...
Stewart Lee explains;
"As for TMWRNJ, Mark something was in
control of BBC2 when it went out, and really liked it. At the end
of TMWRNJ1 he took me, Rich and our manager out to lunch in a posh
restaurant in Notting Hill and promised a longer run, proper trails,
Friday night repeats etc, and was really keen. Everyone else came
out of the meal really happy. I said: I'll believe it when I see it.
As it turned out, TMWRNJ2 wasn't trailed, ran for longer but over
13 weeks interrupted by sport, and the Friday night shows were usually
cancelled. Then Jane Root, the new controller, cancelled the programme.
To be fair, Jon Plowman and the bloke who produced The Young Ones,
Paul Jackson, did try to get her down to the live recordings to show
her that the show was working, but she never came. |
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the end of the series they became like skeletons at the feast, supporting
us, even though it was clear our death warrant was marked. The closest I've
heard to an official explanation, second-hand via the producer Bill Dare
to the actor Trevor Lock, was that TMWRNJ2 "didn't perform well in the post-Simpsons
slot". Three of our projected repeats in the post-Simpsons slot were cancelled,
the "post-Simpsons slot" often wasn't the "post-Simpsons slot", due to the
insensitive way The Simpsons is also treated by schedulers, and our trailers,
for some reason, didn't mention the Friday show. On
two different occasions I was planning to do the edit for the Friday (repeated)
show on Thursday, and then found out by looking in Time Out that it was
on Thursday night. We were doing a show where even the people in it didn't
know when it was going out."
As a result
of this insensitive treatment, Lee & Herring have as good as severed
their relationships with the BBC.
Stewart has vowed never to work for them again while current standards
are in place, and has continued his work as Harry Hill's script editor
over three series and a christmas special of the bald comic's Channel
Four show.
He also directed a pilot show of Cluub Zarathrustra for the station
which featured the talents of Simon Munnery, Kevin Eldon, Johnny Vegas
and others. Cluub Z had initially originated in Edinburgh as a
"kind of Dada-ist cabaret show".
This appears to have been shelved by Channel Four, and a variant on the
theme, "Attention Scum" fronted by Munnery's "League Against
Tedium" character surfaced on BBC2 in early 2001. Stewart directed
this too, and did make a brief cameo appearance as part of the supporting
cast.
Sadly this show was treated with as much contempt as TMWRNJ. Any potential
second series was cancelled before the first was even aired, it was pushed
into a late Sunday night slot, and given no advertising at all, despite
being nominated for a Golden Rose of Montreal Award.
This has, understandably, added to Lee's anti-BBC stance. |
He
also became a published author in 2001, with the release of his
debut novel, "The Perfect Fool". Seven years in the making,
and drawing on themes, situations and characters that Stew has touched
on within his solo stand-up work, it's a solidly crafted, thoroughly
engrossing & witty book, which houses all his trademark charm
& methods of storytelling without being a comedy book. This
is, for want of a better term, a "proper" novel.
Stew
still performs solo stand-up, although from recent interviews given,
there is a question as to how much longer he will continue to do
this. His most recent show was "Pea
Green Boat" a wonderful deconstruction of the Edward
Lear poem "The Owl and The Pussycat". Initially performed
as a "work in progress" at Battersea Arts Centre in late
2001, it was revived for the 2002 Edinburgh Festival to great response.
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Richard
Herring, meanwhile, returned to writing via a collaboration with Al Murray.
Rich & Al constructed a sitcom for Sky television called "Time
Gentlemen Please" based around Murray's successful stand-up character
of "The Pub Landlord". More information on the show can be found
at this fan
site.
During the break between the two series, Rich managed to construct &
perform a new one-man stand-up play, the successful"Christ On A Bike",
based on the rather thin premise that Rich was the same age as Jesus was
when he died. Within an hour and a half, Richard deconstructs not just
his own flimsy structure of the show, but also the bible, and some of
the underpinning importance of the Christian religion.
He returned to the Edinburgh Festival in 2002 with a new show, "Talking
Cock" - billed as a male answer to "The Vagina Monologues",
"Talking Cock" examines attitudes towards the penis, and received
great critical acclaim during it's Edinburgh run. |
The
Lee & Herring double-act seems, sadly, to be no more. This is partly
due to lack of backing, and partly due to the success of their individual
projects. While neither rule out a return to the double act, it seems
that they've taken it as far as they could, and that more could be gained
by working on different projects.
There is no animosity between the two, and they often contribute to each
other's work.
However,
the pair did work together again in early 2002. They took part in "Real
Time", an online Dr. Who adventure. Rich appears "Taylor Renchard"
& Stew plays "Ryan Carey"
The recordings were released over the internet recently, and the shows
can be found on the BBC
web site at this link.
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This
takes us up to the start of 2003, when Stewart resurrected his "Pea
Green Boat" for a stint at the Battersea Arts Centre (January)
before concentrating his efforts on the return of the acclaimed "Jerry
Springer : The Opera". This took to the stage at the National
Theatre in London in April 2003 & has since garnered massive critical
acclaim, earning it a west end run at the Cambridge Theatre as of
October 2003.
Stew directed this, and co-wrote some of it. It is a collaboration
between him & TMWRNJ keyboardist Richard Thomas. Stew has described
it as "not at all shit", and he seems to be right, the national
press are lapping it up, it's won awards and everything - see some
reviews of it on the press page.
He also presents a radio show every third Sunday on London's Resonance
104.4FM. You can listen online at www.resonancefm.com
and is reportedly working on his second novel, the follow up to "The
Perfect Fool". |
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Meanwhile
Rich spent much of 2003 touring the country (and Australia too....)
with his one-man show, "Talking
Cock". A book of the same title has also been released
(see "in print"). All the relevant
details of Rich's show can be found on the site he set up for the
show, www.talkingcock.co.uk.
He regularly updates his website on the "Warming Up" page,
which runs almost like a public diary, and is entertaining reading,
as well as the best source of news for all things Herring. Rich
is also hoping to run the London Marathon in early 2004, and you
can sponsor him by clicking
here.
Rich
and Stew were re-united again briefly in late 2003 when they both
appeared on Radio 4's "Round Table" show (a copy of which
should hopefully be on the site soon) and when Rich guested on Stew's
resonance show to publcise Talking Cock (
if you can help with a copy for the site, please get in touch...)
Rich also recently took part in a pilot for a new radio show with
(amongst others) Emma "Nostradamus" Kennedy, and Stew
has been making sporadic stand-up appearances.
In
the run up to Edinburgh 2004, both Rich & Stew have announced
plans to return to the festival armed with new material. Stew has
already announced some warm-up dates - if you;re interested - you
can find them on this page. Richard keeps
a daily diary on his website, www.richardherring.com
which is the best place to find out about what he's up to. At the
time of writing he's due to take part in the 2004 London Marathon
in early april. Again, all the relevant details are on
his website.
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